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A long kiss goodnight 2/3/2022 11:48 PM
If you stuck around as a host, what if you could safely get the career you wanted, the significant other you wanted, the pets you wanted?
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Deleted User 2/3/2022 11:49 PM
what if my tulpa wanted to have a career they wanted that is not my career of choice, partner they wanted that is not my partner of choice, or didn't want kids?
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I felt that haha
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A long kiss goodnight 2/3/2022 11:50 PM
You guys could negotiate. It's what we do
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Deleted User 2/3/2022 11:50 PM
why negotiate though
11:51 PM
People can struggle about things like that internally without any additional identities
11:51 PM
you could just have a system where there is no need for negotiation
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A long kiss goodnight 2/3/2022 11:52 PM
I prefer to be my own person and act on my desires, as does my host Gray.
11:52 PM
I may not go to school to be a teacher, but I like the idea of being a tutor
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Deleted User 2/3/2022 11:52 PM
will you be disappointed if you will fail negotiations with Gray?
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A long kiss goodnight 2/3/2022 11:53 PM
We understand it's not a perfect system, but I appreciate what I get out of it and so does he
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I find it a bit sad that none of you guys will ever really achieve your own dreams, purging anything that would take you out of the status quo
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Deleted User
you could just have a system where there is no need for negotiation
If there is no difference in opinion, is there individuality..?
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Couldn't you become singlet, avoiding all that ? Sorry if my question is dumb but I feel like you're quite capable
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Gray | Shadow System BOT 2/3/2022 11:54 PM
If stuff breaks down we just work things out.
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Flodos
If there is no difference in opinion, is there individuality..?
Deleted User 2/3/2022 11:54 PM
sure there is a difference in opinion, but less the difference the more smoothly everything goes
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Flodos
If there is no difference in opinion, is there individuality..?
If I understood correctly the idea is that they're resetting every time there's difference in opinion that matters
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Deleted User 2/3/2022 11:55 PM
sometimes yeah
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Full ouaip
Couldn't you become singlet, avoiding all that ? Sorry if my question is dumb but I feel like you're quite capable
Deleted User 2/3/2022 11:55 PM
Well, there can be differences on many levels. Just because your tulpa is not interested in different career path etc. doesn't mean they're less valid.
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Is that... really the best way of handling conflict?
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Deleted User
Well, there can be differences on many levels. Just because your tulpa is not interested in different career path etc. doesn't mean they're less valid.
I mean if you're gonna kill them all every time there's a conflict so there's no conflict better to live as a singlet, in my view
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Fazzie
I mean if you're gonna kill them all every time there's a conflict so there's no conflict better to live as a singlet, in my view
Deleted User 2/3/2022 11:56 PM
Some systems just have no conflicts.
11:56 PM
people have acceptance of different things in life. you can accept the fact that you are outsourcing animal cruelty to butchers, i accept that there are some things that run smoother if i put myself aside i don't want to put "egocentric" here again because i don't mean it in any way but yeah
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking
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Deleted User
people have acceptance of different things in life. you can accept the fact that you are outsourcing animal cruelty to butchers, i accept that there are some things that run smoother if i put myself aside i don't want to put "egocentric" here again because i don't mean it in any way but yeah
I don't think being egocentric in moderation is a bad thing.
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A long kiss goodnight 2/3/2022 11:57 PM
Becoming median is an option, but I'm wondering if you already have that- all of the headmates are ultimately one being, but there's still a little separation here and there
I mean if you're gonna kill them all every time there's a conflict so there's no conflict better to live as a singlet, in my view
This is where I'm stumped- If you don't like a piece of yourself, is it murder to reject it? But on the other hand, why is there anxiety about resetting again? Why desire to stick around for the next generation? Is there no way to revive a previous headmate?
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Deleted User 2/3/2022 11:57 PM
depends on your priorities really
11:58 PM
no we are definitely separate
11:58 PM
oh reviving of previous headmates have occured yeah or they just popped
11:59 PM
but are they same or new ones that claim to be them? who knows, doesn't matter
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Wouldn't the most selfless act be letting just one tulpa survive and for that one tulpa to life a long and fulfilling life rather than letting generations of tulpas to come and go?
11:59 PM
This is still a really weird talk btw
12:00 AM
But I like weird talks so w/e
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A long kiss goodnight 2/4/2022 12:00 AM
I'm curious- if the next reset happened, is there any way to guarantee you'll be around?
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Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:00 AM
it's not about selflessness but about being functional
12:01 AM
is there guarantee you will be the same you tomorrow when you wake up, and not another headmate?
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Deleted User
it's not about selflessness but about being functional
Isn't it a bit sad to prioritize being functional over being happy?
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Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:01 AM
but i am happy smile3
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Are all of you guys in there happy?
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Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:02 AM
spending time and energy on resolving conflicts and negotiating that brings disappointment from the people that lost the negotiation would make me unhappy
12:02 AM
currently yeah
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is there guarantee you will be the same you tomorrow when you wake up, and not another headmate?
A long kiss goodnight 2/4/2022 12:03 AM
I promise I will always be Ranger, no matter what. Switched-in, in the back, guide writer, the guy eating too much cake, a little curious about writing code, all of that is still me, even when I'm doing things that are similar to my other headmates I would have to integrate or dissipate to be gone forever (edited)
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I, I don't know. I feel weird knowing you could die at any point and we never talking anymore, okidokime
12:03 AM
As a friend'
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Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:04 AM
Dissipation is not death. It's just not taking certain identity anymore.
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I was wondering, what is the purpose of your system in the end? If no one survives long enough to develop their own passions, do you all enjoy the physical situation you're in at all? Or are you just perpetuating the survival of a body?
12:04 AM
Ok your answered up here, mb
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Happy that you're happy tho
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Deleted User
Dissipation is not death. It's just not taking certain identity anymore.
I think it depends on the system. On my system that's the case but I don't think it's the case with Okidokime's system'
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A long kiss goodnight
I promise I will always be Ranger, no matter what. Switched-in, in the back, guide writer, the guy eating too much cake, a little curious about writing code, all of that is still me, even when I'm doing things that are similar to my other headmates I would have to integrate or dissipate to be gone forever (edited)
Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:06 AM
question, is there a potential situation where you would put system first and break the promise?
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A long kiss goodnight 2/4/2022 12:06 AM
I see dissipation as a final decision. Even if functionality wise we could revive dissipated headmates, choosing to dissipate comes with the expectation no one will dig you up and pull you out of your grave. If nothing else, it's a promise we have to keep to never wake them up
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question, is there a potential situation where you would put system first and break the promise?
A long kiss goodnight 2/4/2022 12:07 AM
I'm not sure what you mean. When would I have to choose my system over my existence?
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Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:10 AM
you promised a few things about yourself, that you will always be "that". if let's say your SO found out about you doing tulpamancy and asked you to stop being involved in the community, write guides etc, because they would consider it is breaking the relationship, would you stop doing it (breaking the promise you just gave), when the system already planned life with the person and is fully commited? i mean a situation like that
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If someone said that mf run out of that relationship asap
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Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:11 AM
It sounds like a very toxic relationship.
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That’s what you call a red flag
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Fazzie
If someone said that mf run out of that relationship asap
Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:11 AM
yeah that would be your position, but in this scenario rest of the system wants to stay and says it's not a big sacrifice
12:12 AM
why red flag?
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not sure why you are considering it a toxic relationship
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"it's not a big sacrifice" no it 100% is wtf are you talking about
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Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:12 AM
Even as a system that could be classified as median, I can't imagine doing that kind of sacrifice for any partner.
12:13 AM
you are all talking about negotiating between headmates, and you forget that negotiation happens between people in couples too. sometimes people just lose negotiation
12:13 AM
it's a matter of priority
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Fazzie
"it's not a big sacrifice" no it 100% is wtf are you talking about
Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:13 AM
stopping writing guides is a big sacrifice?
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Of course a headmate wouldn't be a high priority for you you go through 100 of them in a month
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But you are using the example of negotiation that includes removing the system for a partner?
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Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:14 AM
no, just stop writing the guides
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Still a really damn massive red flag
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Your partner should not be telling you to stop your hobbies. One of Rusty’s exes told them to stop doing animal rescue or they’d break up so Rusty broke up with them. That’s toxic and controlling
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Deleted User
you promised a few things about yourself, that you will always be "that". if let's say your SO found out about you doing tulpamancy and asked you to stop being involved in the community, write guides etc, because they would consider it is breaking the relationship, would you stop doing it (breaking the promise you just gave), when the system already planned life with the person and is fully commited? i mean a situation like that
A long kiss goodnight 2/4/2022 12:15 AM
Ah, okay. I see the problem. I would rather come up with new desires than dissipate myself. If let's say I was into this SO, I would probably break up with her and find someone else. I might be sad about it, but I'll move on and find someone else. I don't think I'm a completely different person when I change my life goals. I used to be on the Guide Approval Team and I was very interested in recreating it, but as time went by I realized maybe it's for the best it fell apart, at best it needs to be completely rethought. Hold on I need to catch up
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@Deleted User If a friend said "I don't like that tulpa. Get rid of him", would... would you actually do it?
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Fazzie
@Deleted User If a friend said "I don't like that tulpa. Get rid of him", would... would you actually do it?
Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:15 AM
i wouldn't cause a situation where a friend would need to say that
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But if it does happen, what would you do?
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Rusty has a friend who hates me, it does happen
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Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:16 AM
depends on what i value more
12:16 AM
matter of priorities
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Gray | Shadow System BOT 2/4/2022 12:16 AM
yeah that would be your position, but in this scenario rest of the system wants to stay and says it's not a big sacrifice
@deleted_user_529cfe4c351a - jump I would have a problem with anyone who wants me to basically dissipate Ranger. I'm still pissed at my mom when she told me that, I wouldn't want to date anyone who told me that
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Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:16 AM
being functional or inner world?
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i'm not sure why everyone is bringing up dissipation or stopping being plural, i didn't say that
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Deleted User
i'm not sure why everyone is bringing up dissipation or stopping being plural, i didn't say that
Weren't you saying you dissipate all of the tulpas when you guys get into a big argument?
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Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:17 AM
yeah but i'm not telling ranger to do the same
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ranger mentioned a few things that he promises he will always be
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and i asked if there is a potential situation where he breaks the promise
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i just took a random example
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Gray | Shadow System BOT 2/4/2022 12:18 AM
Doing tulpamancy is one of Ranger's favorite things. Telling her to not do those things would imply they don't like her and she has to be someone they like. I'm not okay with that at all
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People change interests; I don't think they meant it that they will never change any of it for no reason at all (edited)
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Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:19 AM
you all will have huge problems finding a partner if you are planning to open up
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Deleted User
you all will have huge problems finding a partner if you are planning to open up
Not really no. People are pretty open.
12:20 AM
Heck I literally have neocultist in my bio and will tell anyone that asks and I've never had a problem with it
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Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:20 AM
then dox yourself
12:20 AM
people are staying anonymous here because they don't want other people to find out they are plural
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A long kiss goodnight
Ah, okay. I see the problem. I would rather come up with new desires than dissipate myself. If let's say I was into this SO, I would probably break up with her and find someone else. I might be sad about it, but I'll move on and find someone else. I don't think I'm a completely different person when I change my life goals. I used to be on the Guide Approval Team and I was very interested in recreating it, but as time went by I realized maybe it's for the best it fell apart, at best it needs to be completely rethought. Hold on I need to catch up
A long kiss goodnight 2/4/2022 12:20 AM
ranger mentioned a few things that he promises he will always be
I think my response to this got flooded
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Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:20 AM
prove that you believe people are open by doxing yourself (edited)
12:20 AM
(i mean don't do it)
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Deleted User
people are staying anonymous here because they don't want other people to find out they are plural
My family & friends knows.
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Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:21 AM
oh lucky
12:21 AM
i assume they didn't react badly?
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I don't think people are anonymous here because we don't want people irl to know they're plural but rather because everyone on Discord is anonymous
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Deleted User
prove that you believe people are open by doxing yourself (edited)
Deleted User 2/4/2022 12:21 AM
If a person who knows me irl ask me about tulpamancy, I'd not hide it. People are anonymous on Discord not just because they have tulpas though.
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